MZ per X wrote:
Tracy Poff, I just read a piece about intercultural communication problems, and found this above phrase with the meaning "That is utter nonsense." for English natives there.
Didn't know that, and as I am German, "very interesting" means something completely different for me. It means your view on the topic is absolutely worth a second thought and should be thoroughly considered before finally deciding on the issue.
Hope you were not offended.
Oh, absolutely not. I'm well aware of the difficulties of communicating online with people around the world, so I'm afraid that if you wanted to insult me you'd have to be pretty direct or I'd continue to assume everyone was contributing to the discussion in good faith.
Rola wrote:My reply to inclusionists would be: there are console-specific databases out there, there's always Wikipedia. I'm against adding those definitely-not-a-game titles to a games database.
Actually, that is in my opinion not a strength of the current situation, but a weakness. We have some general databases, like MobyGames or Wikipedia, that are not very complete, and we have some console-specific databases that are much more complete, but we don't have any good database that is both inclusive and complete. If I want to know about every incarnation of Fantasy Zone, for example, my best source is probably Hardcore Gaming 101
, since MobyGames doesn't include arcade games and Wikipedia doesn't include (enough) screenshots. If I want to know about the Super Mario Bros. series, probably I should look at the Super Mario Wiki
, since it spans platforms and includes things like the Mario Calculator and Mario Teaches Typing. No console-specific database will help me with these, and I think it's a shame to dream of creating a database that won't be any more useful than the current offerings.
I certainly can agree that we don't need to add definitively non-game software for platforms like Commodore 64 or MS-DOS, since it would be both out of scope and impractical. But I think there is value in completeness, and, where practical, I'd err on the side of including too much. The fact that Nintendo produced software like Mario Calculator or Mario Teaches Typing goes to show how important the character is to the company's image, and the existence of non-game software on game consoles is valuable information for tracking how people perceive these devices. If the current rumors are accurate, and the Xbox One will be able to run Windows 8.1 apps, it could mean a shift in how people think about consoles, and I think it will be valuable to be able to track the popularity of non-game software on consoles leading up to this, from a historical perspective.
...I think I've probably said enough on that particular topic. I may not convince you of my position, but I hope you'll agree that there is
an argument for the other side.